Eight years ago, Brooke Faw posted a picture of Mary Tyler Moore on her Facebook page. In the caption, she talked about how she knew she was going to make it after all. Earlier that day, Brooke met Mike Boykin (her current boss) at an event. (Boykin was running a different agency at the time.) “I said to him, ‘One of these days I’m going to work for you.’”

One year later, TimeHop resurfaced Faw’s Mary Tyler Moore post. It was the same day that Faw called Boykin to accept the offer and work for Bespoke Sports & Entertainment. 

“I am a very emotional person so I started crying,” says Faw. “I called Mike and I’m babbling about Mary Tyler Moore, and he’s like ‘Did she die? I’m very confused.’ And I’m like, ‘No! Mary Tyler Moore! I’m coming to work for you!’”

After joining Bespoke Sports & Entertainment, Faw transitioned from manager to director to her current role as vice president. We spoke with Faw about her decision to join an up-and-coming agency and her experience working in sports.

You started your career as a kindergarten teacher and a high school basketball coach, is that correct? 

Yes. 

And now you’re the Vice President of Client Experiences. When I look at how you got from point A to today — from teaching to working for a nonprofit to working for a hospital —it seems like you’ve always had a passion for community. 

You know it’s funny, I’ve never put it that way but that’s actually the perfect way to put it. 

Yes, I’ve always had a passion for helping in any way that I can. Obviously being a kindergarten teacher, there’s a lot of that that goes into it. Then, I was a director of a nonprofit for Earth Fare and we did a ton in helping people live healthier lifestyles. Later I moved over to running sports partnerships for a hospital system in which one of the best things was bringing athletes to our Children’s Hospital. 

Now, on the agency side, I love the fact that I can work on multiple projects, and everyone always kind of rolls their eyes when we’re in brainstorms because I’m like, “Okay, and what’s the charity component of this?” Everyone’s like, “Here comes the community relations girl.”

But you know, every brainstorm and every client that I work on, we do something that gives back or helps people or sends a message that just makes this world a better place. Because, why else work if you’re not trying to work towards that?

Is it fair to say that you’ve also always been in love with sports throughout your career? 

So, I will tell you a personal story that hopefully the women reading this can learn from. Learn from my mistakes! 

When I went to college, I wanted to be an ESPN reporter. I love sports. I love to talk. Put them together and it’s perfect. That’s what I was going to do, that was my dream. 

At the time I was engaged — yes, engaged at 19, don’t judge me — I was engaged to a guy who just really wanted the white picket fence and the yard full of kids. When you grow up in a place like I grew up in, in Indiana, I was like, “Absolutely.” So I changed my major to teaching. 

We subsequently got married and tried for several years to have children, but I was told that I was never going to be able to have a child. And so we separated.

So here I was at 24, divorced and having this quarter-life crisis. And I just decided right then and there that I wanted to do something in sports. I wanted to pursue that goal. The 18-year-old in me wanted to do it, but that girl listened to a boy instead of actually doing what I wanted to do. This girl was going to do it differently! 

I moved to North Carolina and found a teaching job. I taught a lot of kids who had parents who worked in NASCAR. And so I started learning about the roles and responsibilities and different things that NASCAR does and started volunteering for drivers and their foundations and just fell in love with that world.

So I met some who introduced me to some folks at Earth Fare, which is how the Community Relations and nonprofit world started for me. That job moved to Asheville. Ironically enough, I’d gotten remarried and had my son and didn’t want to move him to Asheville. 

I took some time off and thought I was gonna be a stay-at-home mom for a minute. That lasted all of about six weeks because that job is the hardest job in the world.

And so I decided to get back into sports. I loved my community relations nonprofit job but I really wanted something in sports to kind of show everyone that I could do it, you know?

So when that sports position became open at the hospital, I was lucky enough to have a lot of people put their names out for me and say “Hey, you really need to talk to this girl.” 

When you joined Bespoke Sports & Entertainment, it was an up-and-coming agency. It can be risky joining a small business that’s just starting out, so how did you make the decision to take a leap of faith? 

I take educated risks. 

So, yes, you’re completely correct in that leaving a huge corporation that I loved to go work for two men who basically were footing the build themselves to start up this agency was a very risky picture. 

However, if you knew those two men, and if you knew what kind of men they were and the reputation they had in the sports world, the number of people that were ready to do anything to help them because they had helped others, you knew that it was a risk but it was an educated risk.

I knew even if the agency failed, they would do everything in their power to get me in a position that I would have never even dreamed of because they were so grateful for me coming over and being a part of their team. If I hitched my wagon to theirs, no matter what happened with the agency, it was going to be a good experience. 

So I guess the answer to your question is, I look at the people. The type of person that you work for is so important. If I worked for someone who didn’t have morals or ethics, someone who would undercut people just to make a buck, I wouldn’t be able to live with myself. That’s just a personal decision for me. But the fact that I knew that these men were just solid gold, I was like, “I have to go learn from them.”

I’m interested in hearing a little bit about being a woman in the sports industry. Women and sports have a complicated history, and I’m sure that plays out in your world too. Are there any barriers that you know are different for women in your industry? 

Forgive me because I’ll probably cry talking about this, but it is something that I am so passionate about.

I was at a meeting out of town and I had a picture of my son on my desktop. I opened my computer to give the presentation, and people were like “Oh my gosh, your son is so cute! Who’s taking care of him if you’re here?” I can guarantee you that had I been a man, not one person would have asked me “Who’s taking care of your son while you’re giving a business presentation?”

So the societal thought that when women have kids they must be at home with them is killing women in sports. There are very few women over the age of 40 in sports. There are a ton of women in their twenties. But as they start talking about having families, they drop like flies to the point where I came into the sports industry at 25 and was looking for that late 30’s woman to be that mentor to look up to and ask, “Okay, how did you do it all?” And there really wasn’t one. And I searched. Hard. 

I asked my bosses, “Find me a woman mentor who is married, who has children, and is still able to be a boss in the sports world.” They found women who were single or who were married without kids. But they could not find anyone that was all those things and still worked in sports effectively. 

And so seven years ago, I set out and said “I am going to be that woman.” That is my path, that is my calling.

Another barrier that women have is the crap we have to put up with just to do our job. 

If you follow a woman who works in sports around for 24 hours, you would be embarrassed at the way that she is looked at, the way she is talked to, the way she is treated. Not by all men — let me be fair, not by all men — but by enough that it is really noticeable.

I like hearing how you set out to become the role model that you didn’t have but wished you did. 

I think our biggest issue as women is when there’s a spot at the top, in my opinion, a woman feels like if she brings any other women up with her she’s gonna lose her spot because there’s only one. 

I really think my generation, hopefully, will be that generation that finally says, “No, we don’t want to be the only woman in the room. We want diversity of thought.”  

The general consumer is a woman. That’s who people want to market to. Every company wants the female perspective, but their problem is they go ask a roomful of men for it. And so we need more women, especially in the marketing world and especially in the sports marketing world, to be at the table. Otherwise, we’re going to keep coming up with the same ideas using the same thought process.

When Dr. Shanté Williams was moving through the corporate landscape, she says people probably thought she was a bit of a flake. She would come into position, do really well, get a little promotion, and then ask, “Okay, now what’s next?” 

“People were like, ‘Do you just not have the capacity to stick around?’” says Williams. “I used to take that to heart and then I’d feel bad about moving.” But not bad enough to stop. Instead, Williams continued to explore projects that made a difference, regardless if they were in totally new industries.  

“If you choose yourself, if you choose to cultivate the things that make you happy and that you’re really good at, you can go anywhere,” says Willaims. “You don’t have to be limited by what other people think you’re good at.”

We talked more with Dr. Williams, CEO and founder of Black Pearl Global Investments, about her career moves and her self-titled role as a capital activist.   

After reading about your career, it’s very hard to pigeonhole you into any one industry. You started with a Ph.D. in biomedical science. Then you worked in business, healthcare, finance, and now you own and run an investment firm. It can be hard for some people to change careers. How did you work through that? 

I’m glad that you weren’t able to pin me down to one industry. That’s intentional at this point. It was not intentional when I started. 

When starting out in your career journey, you absolutely [pigeonhole yourself], right? And for me, I kept saying “Okay, this is who I am” and then I would quickly hit a ceiling. Changing jobs within the same company, or even expanding your duties [at the same company] can become very very difficult if you learn very quickly. So for me, I just kept hitting that ceiling. 

Then I started saying, “Okay, so maybe I’m not just one thing.” I continued to find job activities and boards that allowed me to pull on more than one lever. 

In business school, they say “You have several tools in your toolbox, which one are you using?” I decided I wanted to be a Swiss army knife and use all the tools and apply thinking and execution to various industries.

It didn’t start off intentionally, but now it very much is. I’m really focused on impact. How can my skills, talents, or whatever I’m doing make the most impact? That’s how I decide what new projects I’m going to take on or what new industries I’m going to get involved in.

Moving to new industries takes a lot of courage and self-awareness. You have to trust yourself and your strengths. Did you always possess this self-awareness or did you have mentors to help lead you there? 

I think all of the above. Since I was 16 years old I’ve had what I call “life Sherpas;” people that have guided me to the next step. They would say “You know you can be anything.” I know we say that to everybody, but really having people that meant it [when they said it to me].   

When I was in high school, I was the kid that didn’t necessarily try very hard. I ended up getting all the answers right in a chemistry lab. My chemistry teacher wrote me a note on a little Post-It — I still have it — and it says “I’m giving you a C, not because you didn’t get all the answers right, but because you didn’t try. If you want to achieve anything, it’s gonna take blood, sweat, and tears, and knowing who you are.”

And at the time, I thought this was the world’s most unfair thing. Looking back, I recognize that I was very self-confident almost to a point where it was probably a little bit annoying and maybe a little arrogant. What [my teacher] was trying to do was encourage my confidence but also say “You’ve got to couple that confidence with real substance and effort.”

I feel like I am very confident, but it’s because I push myself out of my comfort zone, whether it’s industry, application, or scale. I’m bringing me to the table. 

And I think that that’s kind of the secret behind a lot of successful women and business leaders. Favoring themselves. They know who they are. They know what they bring to the table. They show up as themselves and not as a version of a CEO that someone else thinks they should be.

Sometimes you don’t hit the ball out of the park on a new journey or a new adventure, but you absolutely swung for the fences. I’m not scared of failure anymore. I ask, “Was my best effort there?” If I can answer yes every single time, then I can be very confident in moving to the next thing or staying where I am.  

Tell me more about this capital activist role you see for yourself. 

For me, capital activism is making sure that I am able to give capital, money, and resources to the places and people that need them and that can create the most impact. It doesn’t matter where the capital is coming from. It’s really about me being able to connect all the pieces and get something funded. 

Being a capital activist is literally saying, “I know about money. I know how to fund a project. I know how to build a project.” It’s making sure that the right people have the right deployment of capital. A capital activist puts money in places where it needs to be in order to make a change. 

Listening to you talk about capital activism, I’m reminded that you’ve published a few books, including Black Angels Among Us. Are your books an extension of your capital activist role? 

I get a lot of questions about how I got started, who I invest in, or how I invest. So I started taking all those questions and compiling them. The goal of the book Black Angels Among Us was to share the information and experiences that I’ve had, but make it really easy and really digestible for other people 

I think we need more women investing. We need people of color investing. We really need to equip everybody that we can with knowledge so that they can go out and be their own form of capital activists. 

One of the most humbling book reviews that I’ve ever gotten was someone who said, “Wow, I feel like I can be an angel investor now.” Because, that was the point — to inspire other people to really think about how they can make an impact with whatever funds they have.

In the book, I talk about not being a millionaire and how my first investment was $1,000. That $1,000 went into a small business so [the owner] could buy inventory, and that helped her get ahead. 

You talk about the importance of getting more women and people of color investors. What do we need to do or keep doing to make that happen?

Women investors and people of color that want to be investors, both have two very different hurdles. 

A lot of times women investors tend to not feel like they have enough information to move forward or to consider themselves investors, even if they are really well skilled and well versed in finance or banking. I think for women it’s about taking the leap. Investments are risky, which means they’re not all going to succeed. But for women, it’s really just about getting in the game

For people of color, the first barrier really is building up that reserve to be able to invest. That could mean starting your own business, building your wealth, or moving more towards becoming an accredited investor. 

But then after that, once you get to the capital reserves in order to be able to invest, it’s helping people of color fund projects or founders that look like them. 

So for me, being a capital activist is encouraging women to get off the sidelines and then making sure people of color have the funds, resources, and deployment of capital to build their own dreams. 

You’ve been recognized by a lot of different organizations, but what are you most proud of? 

When I was just starting out as an entrepreneur, the Charlotte Regional Business Alliance (formerly the Charlotte Chamber of Commerce) awarded me the 2017 Charlotte Chamber Young Professional Entrepreneur Award. And that meant a lot to me because that came right at a time when I had left a very solid, well-paying, corner office corporate position to start my own company. 

I had been working for myself for about three years, and that recognition was like little breadcrumbs to say “Keep going. You’re doing something that’s impactful. Keep moving forward.”

I keep that trophy in my home office now and it just reminds me to start somewhere and that there are people watching, and people that are encouraging you to keep pushing forward.

What advice would you give your younger self?

I think the advice I would have given to my younger self is: Don’t be so tied to other people’s opinions of where you should be. 

Honestly, I think a lot of the career advice we hear from people is “Drill down, become an expert, and focus on that.” I would say, be open and explore. Work to identify your talent versus a career field. I think if I had done that, I may have taken a similar route but I may have arrived at the thing that drives me sooner. 

It’s hard to think of someone more plugged into the cause of advancing women in technology than Caitlin Sellers Castevens. 

Castevens is one of three co-founders of Carolina Women in Tech, a non-profit membership group that “embraces the role that technology plays in [any woman’s] career, business, and life.” She’s also the co-host of the podcast Lady Tech Charmers and recently partnered with a non-profit called She Flew the Coop, rolling out a podcast series about “Waking the flock up,” getting out of your comfort zone, and going after your dreams. 

“I think the flexibility of the tech industry and the fact that it is ever-changing — it brings the playground to an even more even playing field regardless of your age,” says Castevens. “If you’re willing to put in the work, get the education, learn the skills, and keep up with the industry, it allows a variety of generations to be able to gain success in the tech industry.”

We talked more with Castevens about her start in technology and her journey to becoming an impassioned community leader. 

When did you become interested in technology? 

I’ve always loved technology. I worked in IT staffing right out of school for a little bit, and I always thought it was weird that there weren’t a lot of women, there weren’t a lot of BIPOC or openly LGBTQ people. Even people who identify with the fact that they were in technology had to have this really finite skill set.  For example, if they were a coder or they were doing quality assurance for tech specific product development then they considered themselves technical but people in education, health care, and blue collar workers didn’t (and still don’t) often identify with being in tech. 

It was and still is a very very technical, male-dominated field, and I was like, wait a second, I’m in marketing. I work with a lot of women who use a lot of technology tools. Why aren’t we identifying with being in technology? And so I started asking those questions like, “What does it actually mean to be in the technology field?” And that’s when the [Lady Tech Charmers] podcast and the [Carolina Women in Tech] non-profit as well as other diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging  community initiatives started to form.

Why do you think there aren’t more women in technology in the Carolinas?

I think there are a lot of women who don’t realize they’re in technology. Even if you look at teachers. Teaching is a very female-dominated field. They’re using technology every day. Think about this pandemic. [Think about] Zoom, and email, and slack, and videos, pre-recorded videos, audio, online homework assignments — this is all technology. It’s become a table stake in careers across the spectrum. We use technology with everything. So if you’re a female and you are in the workforce, there’s a very good chance that you’re embracing tech in your career. 

So it sounds like the definition of what it means to be in technology is a much broader definition than simply being a technical coder or big data analyst, for example. 

If you embrace technology in your career, and you specialize in a particular field of technology, then you become a facilitator of technology within your organization. 

Say you have this office administrator [in the construction industry] who is implementing BuilderTrend, which is an industry-specific project management tool. She is not technically a woman in tech, but she’s using QuickBooks Online, she’s activating BuilderTrend and setting it up, integrating the bookkeeping tool with a project management tool. She’s doing all the invoices using this technology. She’s helping the superintendent and the project managers get [data] on their phones and learn how to input information on their phones when they’re out in the field. That’s a woman in tech. Even if she’s not technically a programmer, that doesn’t make her any less valuable as a facilitator and user of technology.

Community seems to be a central cornerstone of your mission to advance women in technology. Do you have a personal story in which the value of community was really solidified for you and points to why you continue to be involved in so many communities? 

hen I was trying to network and build my business as I was getting started as an entrepreneur in 2013, I got involved with the Plaza Midwood Merchants Association, because I live in the neighborhood and I wanted to get involved with the local business owners. So they brought me in to help them update their website and simple things like Facebook groups. And that was all fine, well, and good, but where I saw the biggest need was being able to serve the schools that were in our area. 

I thought, “How can I make a difference with some of our neighborhood schools?” I decided to plug in with one of the leadership teachers at Garinger High School, and we brought some business owners together and created a speed mentoring event. We had 30 students, 10 volunteers at Advent Coworking. Common Market provided lunch. And it was a huge success. We started out simple and organic.

And then we got incredible feedback from students, teachers, and community members. We agreed that, “This is awesome. We should do one better next year.” So we turned this small group networking event into [the Charlotte Student Entrepreneur Summit], which, over the course of three years turned into this huge conference with 150 plus people, five Charlotte Mecklenburg Schools, tons of businesses, nonprofits, leaders, city council — a lot of big people showing up for these students at these at-risk high schools. 

And we were able to bring the technology field to the forefront. We were able to show [students] different opportunities and connect students to specific people for mentoring and intern opportunities and looking at their resumes and helping them upskill in different areas. 

Wow. That’s incredible. Growing a small networking group into a large summit takes vision. It also seems like it takes a willingness to build and serve a community. 

It was a lot of little things, you know, and that really is what community is all about. It’s a million little things. A million connections, a million touchpoints, a million opportunities and connections, a lifetime of resources and relationships. 

A lot of entrepreneurs make the mistake of networking for personal gain. And I think if they switch their mentality from this sort of armored leadership approach to this daring leadership approach — with an open heart and an open mind — and just looking to share their gifts with the world, and look to connect other people with their connections, or in so many words- seeing the greater good and taking action to make a positive impact on the world. Having that mindset of seeing the greater good and helping people see what’s possible. 

That’s really what we’ve done with Carolina Women in Tech. We’ve had conversations with women in all different types of industries, and at the end of the day they have a light bulb moment and often end up responding, “Oh! I am a woman in tech.” It’s cool to see our members and sponsors own that and lean into that more. 

What are you especially proud of? 

The student Charlotte Student Entrepreneur Summit is pretty high up there and something that I’m proud of. It was purely volunteer work, I made no money but the reward is priceless! It is a repeatable, scalable project that we’re actually exploring being able to implement in more urban and rural areas across the Carolinas as well as in other regions for other school districts. So it was, it was a hard project and a labor of love that is actually kind of evolving into other opportunities for making change and doing good. 

What’s next for you?

My husband just started his construction business Midwood Homes, LLC, so we have a new business adventure. I’m also a big gardener and plant lover, so I’m trying to figure out how to incorporate my love of plants and gardening into my entrepreneurial endeavors.

I’m also looking for ways to use technology to create a better customer experience for our construction business because construction is kind of an old school, good old boy kind of industry and so the way that they do business is kind of like that. I feel like with my experience, my background, being able to change the game of how homeowners experience a contractor, wrapping my head around that. That’s cool and exciting.

Megan Orrell opened her clothing boutique, Boem, in 2008 — the same year as the recession. She opened her second location in 2020 — the year of the coronavirus pandemic. 

“Apparently, I like to open in recessions,” she jokes. But all joking aside, Orrell has built a successful brand that’s continued to thrive.   

Ask Orrell and she’ll tell you that the secret to her success isn’t a secret. It’s a simple equation of working hard, being willing to evolve, and never fearing failure. She talked more about these practices in a conversion we had with her. 

What year did you open your second store location?

Twenty-twenty.  

So very recently?

Yes. 

I opened the first location in 2008. Apparently, I like to open in recessions. In 2008, when I opened, I was young and naive and really had no idea how bad the economics were at the time. 

But I’ve always said that it just made me a better, smarter business owner. It made me tougher. It made me realize that everything isn’t going to be easy. 

My dad is a real estate agent and has always told me “That’s the one thing you can count on — there will be ups and downs.” Some years you make money, some years you might not make money and that’s what you should expect if you’re going to be an entrepreneur.

So when 2020 hit, my reaction was “Well, yea okay, [a down moment] was bound to happen at some point. Maybe not how it happened, but I knew we would have a downturn. I signed the lease [for the second location] in 2019 so I kind of had no choice but to open. 

You’ve talked about how thankful you are that you were a little naive when you started your business. Otherwise, you might not have taken the leap. Do you still believe that kind of fearlessness is essential? 

I do. I think that if you want to go into business for yourself, you have to take a leap of faith. You have to be fearless in a sense. You have to be unafraid to fail. I’ve done things that haven’t worked out, and I look at those things as the greatest learning opportunities. 

I tell people that opening the second location was almost harder than opening the first location because I had so much more information. I knew what [opening a business] looked like. Even though I had an established business, I knew the first few years [for the second location] were going to be tough. 

What are some other leaps of faith you’ve had to take as an established business woman? 

I think people have this idea that you just open [a business] and then that’s it — it’s running and it’s great. I can specifically speak to my industry and say that it is ever-evolving. When I opened my first store, I advertised my grand opening in the newspaper. That is where we were at the time. That is what you did. You would not hear of doing that now. 

[In 2008], Instagram wasn’t a business platform. It was just a personal sharing photos platform. So even in the beginning, it was like, “Is [Instagram] a thing businesses should be doing?” 

We also launched online in 2015, which was a little late to the game. It was something that I didn’t want to do because it’s like opening a whole new business, but you have to do it. 

The biggest takeaway is that things are ever-evolving, especially in fashion, but also in any industry you’re in. And you have to pay attention and keep up. 

I think what sets people who don’t ultimately make it apart from successful people is they’re just on autopilot and not willing to evolve. You always have to pay attention, make the changes, and stay on top of it. 

One of my favorite things I say is “You don’t have to be the first, you just have to be the best.” I think a lot of people are like, “Oh, well they’re already doing that so I’m not going to do it.” No, just do it and do it better. 

You are very self-aware in that you know what you’re good at, you know you’re creative. Did that self-awareness refine itself over time or have you always known what your strengths are? 

It’s funny, I was literally thinking about that this morning. It’s something I think about a lot because we are asked as soon as kindergarten what we want to be when we grow up.  I’ve always thought that’s an interesting question. It puts a lot of pressure on a child. 

I was not the smartest kid, I got okay grades. And when I was growing up, that was a detriment. It was like [you’re either] book smart or dumb and not going to amount to anything. [It felt like] to be successful, you had to be smart. And I don’t think that true. 

I think to be successful you have to be very good at something, and a very hard worker. 

Personally, I think the thing that sets me apart and has made me successful over the years is that I’m willing to put in the work. And this ties back to the whole [evolving thing too] and staying on top of things. My brand is creative. That is what I bring to the table. 

Where did your worth ethic come from? 

My dad has an incredible work ethic. He still works — and he’s almost 80 — by choice. He enjoys working. And he made me get a job at 15. I’ve always had a job, and I think learning that work ethic from an early age and seeing how hard my dad works, and how hard he still works, that is just who I am as a person. 

So when people ask how I [started and grew my business], it’s hard work. That’s the bottom line for me. 

When moms ask what would [I’d] recommend [for their kids], I’m like “Make your daughter work.”  

I feel like a lot of times people see what I do and they say, “I want to do this. I want this life.” And I’m like, “Okay, well, I’ve got to take you back 13 years [to where it started]. Let’s talk about those [years of hard work] first.” It’s a long hard road, you know? It’s not that some people don’t become overnight successes, but for the most part, they don’t. You have to be prepared to put the work in.

What’s next for you and Boem?

Well, for the past year it’s been “How do we survive [the pandemic]?” It [has been] about surviving, not about thriving. But now that we’re coming out of [the pandemic], things are normalizing some. My biggest question now is, “What next?” 

I opened one store and, honestly, that’s all I ever wanted. I didn’t have these big grand ideas of opening all over the country. But then [the business] grew and grew — and this is such a lucky problem to have, but it kept growing. The Atherton shopping center came to me [about opening a second location]. And I felt like it was a great idea. So I did it, and here I am: Two stores and a 4,000 square foot warehouse and my question is: Is it more stores?  Growing our online presence? Is it going into a franchising situation? I don’t know that answer, but that’s the biggest question that I have right now.